Dersen Lowery
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Posted - 2014.09.04 15:23:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:The current problem is all the NPC-corp miners who still do the "mine -> refine -> sell to market" shtick, and refuse to change their gameplay (even if "just sell the damn ore" is actually more profitable).
Also, they're probably telling all the rookies that their way is the way to go.
As is the game's skill tree. As is the game's tutorial. I just ran an alt through it, and I don't remember seeing a peep about ore compression (though I admittedly wasn't looking too closely). Refining, sure, that comes up multiple times. It's completely unreasonable to expect optimal knowledge about ore compression to have reached down this far, especially when it is dependent on POSes.
Adding ore compression to the Orca would benefit larger mining corps, but neither Orcas nor freighters make much sense for the really small operations (never mind POSes--more because of the hassle than the expense). As I recall, it takes three max-skilled, max-yield Hulks before it makes sense to put an additional pilot in an Orca instead of another Hulk, and we're not talking about max-skilled, max-yield Hulks here. I'm sure the number is higher for Procurers, Retrievers and Skiffs skilled to 3 and 4.
The reason the Retriever and Mackinaw are so popular is because they have built-in haulers, so in a small group you aren't spending a character on logistics overhead. Everyone can mine. That popularity points to a lack of interest among miners for logistics ships generally. Unfortunately (fortunately?), you can't put a POS in an ore bay, which means that the pop-up POS posited in this thread is going to be used exclusively by larger and more organized corps. Not just the skill tree, not just the tutorial, not just inertia, but the very design of the most popular barges makes it easier and more painless to refine in station.
Given that, if you want compressed ore, you're going to have to reach out to the miners and set something up that works for all parties.
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Dersen Lowery
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Posted - 2014.09.04 18:35:00 -
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Komi Toran wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:The reason the Retriever and Mackinaw are so popular is because they have built-in haulers, so in a small group you aren't spending a character on logistics overhead. Everyone can mine. That popularity points to a lack of interest among miners for logistics ships generally. Um, no. The Retriever and Mackinaw are popular because you don't have to jetcan mine and risk being can-flipped. It's not because miners think industrial ships are icky.
Whoosh!
The point is below a fleet of a certain size--and high sec has many of these--a dedicated industrial pilot doesn't make sense. "Icky" has nothing to do with it.
The inability to can-flip is also nice, of course, except that it's been replaced by straight ganks.
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